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Throw Energy Out the Window With Thermique Heated Glass

by Lloyd Alter, Toronto on 04.23.08
Design & Architecture (materials)

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Ooooh, there is nothing lovelier than a floor-to-ceiling window, and there are few better ways to waste energy, given the low R-value of most glass. Until now, that is, when you can throw electricity out the window with Thermique. This new invention burns up to 25 watts of electricity per square foot by turning the glass into an electric heater . They say it is more energy efficient because it eliminates drafts, and the conventional heating system doesn't have to work as hard." With heated windows, you can lower the set-back temperature for your HVAC system without changing the indoor temperature. The greater the total window area, the more dramatically you can alter the set-back temperature."

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It used to be that there was a limit on the size of windows in an Aspen ski chalet; it got uncomfortable when the windows got too big and created too much of a draft. Now the hedge fund jockeys can just install this coal-fired glass and have no discomfort at all.

No matter that a good portion of it is just being thrown away to the outdoors, or that the appropriate solution is to use smaller windows that frame the view or get a set of drapes. Now we can hook each picture window up to its own circuit breaker (about what it would need) and enjoy the view.

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The Thermique page at Sweets Catalog and the company's website make all kinds of cases for the comfort and efficiency provided by this technology, that it can "provide welcoming warmth without increasing your energy bills." Yet somehow I can't believe it, this is such a contradiction of every rule of energy-efficient design. It seems fundamentally wrong in this day and age to solve a design problem by electrifying it. via ::Materialicious

This is why Building Codes should be absolute instead of relative.


Comments (14)

"High-E" glass. What a novel idea.

jump to top JL says:

It is, in my opinion, impossible that this device would actually save heating energy - just the opposite. And as far as I know, in most EU countries and most developed countries, this company stating that this device does just that constitutes a crime - with legal punitive consequences. Seems this company has a lot of PR people on the payroll and an absence of lawyers.

jump to top houston says:

First off, it is the perimeter of a window that would allow for drafts, not the surface area of it. Heating up the area around a draft will not get rid of it, stopping the air movement will.
Second, turning a window into a radiator will not provide warmth to your home. By heating your window, you will have a much greater delta T from window to outside than window to room, and so the heat will travel out.
The only comfort I can see this thing providing, is that if you were to sit right next to a window, your body will not radiate as much energy too it. A much more eco friendly solution to this would be moving your chair.

jump to top Jason says:

This is definitely up there with running hot water pipes under your driveway and walks in order to melt snow.

There's rationale to putting a heat source by windows, after all that's where radiators generally went. This was in order to prevent cold spots at the building perimeter.

At least it keeps your windows from frosting up!

But I'd rather put my money in a little pile and have the satisfaction of watching it burn up prettily, than by buying any of these windows.

jump to top jon says:

throw a rock at it. it'll save energy.

jump to top thespyofcharles [TypeKey Profile Page] says:

What ever happened to double or triple paned insulating windows?

jump to top Berkana [TypeKey Profile Page] says:

The only thing this would be good for is preventing someone from spying on you with an IR camera.

jump to top Eon says:

... what temperature can it get depending the environment?

jump to top madjoe says:

It's simple physics.
Heat transfer always occurs from a hot body to a cold one, a result of the second law of thermodynamics. - so most of this will simply go straight out through the window. What a dumb idea!

jump to top ecobore [TypeKey Profile Page] says:

It's simple physics.
Heat transfer always occurs from a hot body to a cold one, a result of the second law of thermodynamics. - so most of this will simply go straight out through the window. What a dumb idea!

jump to top ecobore [TypeKey Profile Page] says:

And as the warm transfers out the window, the now chilled air on the inside falls to floor like a slow motion water fall creating the draft you feel at the floor as it spreads. You don't need air leak to feel draft.

You can track the cold layer in it's flow and mix with incense sticks.

By all rights, the floor should have full width vent to receive the cold air falling off the glass to the floor. To be recycled later to the heat source.
Gravity cold air returns are very efficient. It's worked perfect for a thousand years. Leave your basement door open so cold air freely flows to lower area. If that area is not used.

Split level homes are the worst if lower area is used for theater center. The entire airspace of the upper levels of cold air will freefall there.
The best then is a heated floor for that area.

The use of ceiling vents for heated forced air in the lowest level is totally wrong. You can not force heated air to the floor by the furnace alone. Cold air is too heavy to move out of the way. And is why you suffer chill drafts there.
The heating industry has no clue as to how to make the lowest level politically correct for heating.

The upper most level of split level should have hot air vent tube at ceiling to recycle back to the lowest level at floor.
It also keeps the lower area dryer and bug free.

You can also just open the furnace panel at floor level to draw the coldest air to enter to even out the heat at the lowest level.

In all my tours to Europe, I have never seen forced air heating. It's 100% steam boilers, or like Sweden, central steam from the street to your home.

jump to top Philscbx says:

This is hardly a new invention.
First time I saw radiating windows and mirrors was nearly 10 years ago.

At that time the concept worked similarly to the same effect you have when you're sunbathing in the snow.

The air temperature is low, but the "warmth" from the sun keeps you comfortable. That's how you save energy: you can have your indoor temperature well below traditional "comfort" levels, but as long as you're receiving the radiating heat from a window, you feel warm just the same.

At the time I tought it would be most useful in bathroom mirrors, as you could use it just when you shower and turn it off as you leave.

jump to top Carlos says:

I am an architect, and I looked into this on the request of a client. My impression was that the manufacturer was fishing for applications for this- the original idea was to use it for windshields for aircraft to prevent fogging and icing, which is a great idea- using the heat transfer through the glass as an advantage. The manufacturer came up with the fogless mirror idea, a towel warmer, and this application for 'warm glass', all of which are obviously pretty silly.

It does have to be said that the intention of the manufacturer is to install this in an insulating glazing unit assembly (IGU), so as a double or triple pane config, but it is still grotesque. And their claim to be eliminating draft is technically correct, as draft is the cold air falling from the glass as it is chilled at its surface, leaks are the passage of air inside or out at the window's perimeter, and with good window manufacture and proper installation can be nearly eliminated. Don't buy Thermique, do buy the best windows you can afford and install them carefully.

The manufacturer's claim of being green is totally 'greenwash', thanks for publicizing it. By the way, I lost the client, and I sleep better at night!

jump to top Green Kayak says:

ignoring the whole factor of throwing energy out of the window. (lets say i have thought of a usefull way of using this with out waist ing heat)
does any one know how well one could recycle these windows?

jump to top julia says:

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